Nicely said.

Amen!

No sir- you are very conservative in your cost assumption- the inmate will be transferred immediately to Trenton State and placed in an extremely controlled environment. The cost per inmate in these super max units is close to $100,000 per year. He is 20 years old- may live to 70, so it is 50 X $100,000= $5 million plus inflation and 20 years of appeals- plus a 2nd murder trial soon to be tried and this one killer will cost Taxpayers in excess of $7 million to keep alive until he dies of old age. At present in NJ, there are approx 1500 to 2000 inmates that are going to do this kind of tim primarily housed in Trenton East Jersey (Rahway) and Northern State. Economically speaking- unsustainable.

HE SHOULD GET THE NEEDLE IN THE ARM RIGHT NOW. MAYBE BUBBA WILL PAY HIM A VISIT. AND PUT HIM OUT OF OUR MISERY

ohhhh boy !!!!!!.....I sure hope you don't have to endure what this family went through. You have no idea what society is like or you are a very sheltered person. I dare you to take this conversation up with his family and fellow police officers that found him in his patrol car or in the emergency room after the shooting. To say putting him on death row is wrong then shell up your hard earned dollars yourself and pay the bill for him...yeah thought that would change your attitude now that its your money and not other taxpayers. I have no problem keeping him off death row.....but you pay for it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God forbid something happens to you or your family we will keep your opinion in mind when its time for sentencing......I will be happy to take you out in some nice areas to see how bad society humans act if you need some education on the current year not when it was the little house on the Prarie times !!!!!!!!!!!.

So by that logic, any form of PUNISHMENT of any kind is wrong.
Officer Matlosz did not commit a crime with a consequence that is enforced by the society he resided in. Mr. Crockam did. If he did not want to be subject to the consequences and rules of this society, he should have left and commited his crime elsewhere.

Sue, I hope you are feverishly "screaming for the death penalty" for Zimmerman, the Florida guy who shot and killed an innocent 17 year old KID outside his home, for no reason other than he was black and "suspicious looking".
If you're not all fired up and yelling for the Death Penalty for Zimmerman, ask yourself "Why not? Think about it.

SUE: still waiting for your answer to my question re Zimmerman and his crime.....

We'd be killing him as a PUNISHMENT, not RETALIATION. They are two different words with two different meanings. Use your brain.

I'll bite Mattie. The difference here is one of these people was convicted of murdering a cop. I think for that, he should be dragged outside the courtroom and shot, but this is NJ so life imprisonment will have to do.

I don't scream for death for Zimmerman because to my knowledge, he hasn't been arrested for any crimes, much less convicted of any charges. People are always screaming about innocents put to death if wrongly convicted; I find the best way to avoid that is to not call for the death of people who haven't been arrested, tried, and convicted.

Oh, Sue, I should have said this before. If someone is convicted of killing a friend or family member, I still don't want them put to death. Suppose the jury was wrong? Suppose they got the wrong person? I don't see how we can put a potentially innocent person to death just to make ourselves feel better. That would sure seem to cheapen the value of life.

MURDER is MURDER offficer matlosz isn't gonna come back if mr crockam is put to death is he. regardless of what happened to said officer two wrongs don't make a right. I hate that we have to pay for this guy to be in prison but I don't believe killing a killer solves anything or will persuade people from killing in the future

Common Sense....

Truly, with all due respect for cops (BTW, my son-in-law is a cop) being a cop makes his life no more important, nor precious than the life of a 17 year old kid, doing nothing wrong in his own neighborhood. Being a cop makes his life no more special than a doctor's or a teacher's or a trash collector or even a homeless person. It was his JOB. Job's shouldn't matter when it comes to one's respect for life.
I understand (and even agree with!) mandatory laws and punishments for killing a cop. But I resent it being taken so far as to proclaim his very life better or more worthy than anyone else's.

NJ needs to bring back the death penalty AND USE IT.

How could you know what a brain is?

The state shouldn't be in the business of killing anyone. Sorry, you're wrong.

It's a shame when they found him cowering in Camden, he wasn't shot dead then. This piece of garbage dont deserve to use the same oxygen we use. I hope someday the politicians wake up and have a death penalty for murdering a Police Officer. Mr Liberal, I hope your bleeding heart heals

Listen your still as a tax payer will house this man for years before he is put to death. some of you people are no different than a common ape killing doesn't solve a killing savages think in that rationale

I DONT Think hes Wrong! I hope that he Suffers in Prison, Pisses off someone, and has a Short Stay there! The world will then be a Better place, and Tears WONT Be shed for that SCUM!

WE DON'T KNOW THE FULL STORY ABOUT ZIMMERMAN AND TRAVYON . WERE YOU THERE??? @ MATTIE. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. SO DON'T JUDGE SPEAKING OF JUDGING. THE COP KILLER HAD DO PROCESS. AND ZIMMERMAN IS ENTITLED TO IT TO.

Gentile
Take the CAPS LOCK off, and keep it off, if you expect me to respond.

Tell that to the US soldier protecting you as a US citizen. You are an idiot.

Ok, first off.... I'm not 100% sure WHERE I stand on the death penalty issue.
I tend not to see the world in black and white, good and evil, etc. I can see the death penalty for the horrific crimes of serial killers... but I'm not willing to mandate the death penalty for EVERY killing under EVERY situation (exception being self defense). So it's not a matter of me taking sides one way or the other.

That being said, PLEASE people, if you are going to argue FOR the death penalty, PLEASE choose a better reason that the COST of prison time coming out of your pocket, for chrissakes!
Whether for OR against the death penalty, use religious reasons, Bible reasons, statistical reasons, moral reasons, or personal knowledge of the victim to rationalize your stance; but to decide based solely on MONEY is about as civilized as ....well.... it's so uncivilized, it's shameful.
Your taxes are NOT going up every time someone doesn't get the death penalty and is imprisoned instead. Why does everything come down to MONEY ?
This is not the first time I've seen people complain how much courts, law suits, jail or prison time "will cost us" on the Patch or elsewhere. That's the cost of living in a society with set laws, courts, punishments and equal rights to fair judgement.
Or -- we could just become The Taliban and behead ALL criminals for about $50 bucks if that makes you happier....

That is your problem. You consider this piece of sh-t a person.

knarfie there is a saying "cheapen one man's life and you cheapen all men's lives"

JL; believe it or not, some people feel that way about all wars. That doesn't mean they disrespect the soldier, but the war itself. Some people feel soldiers should be on our own soil protecting us, they are not 'protecting us' in lands on the other side of the world - that's for greed and oil - and it's not their fault they get caught up in that, either.

Just a Question to the Liberal Crusader,What Planet are you from??

Well Thanks for the rational, intelligent, well-thought out contribution to the discussion, Ballyjduf. (kidding)

ballyjduf, first, it's called a caps lock. Turn it off. Second, it's wrong to kill. Period. It's obviously not worked as a deterrent in places like Texas, where they use the death penalty all the time. So, please tell us all why it would work so well here.

Nice My Cousin Vinny reference, Mattie.

Gentile, you are entitled to your opinion, but name calling has no place here. Take it elsewhere.

Please, tell me what makes the fact that I think nobody should die so sick? Are you aware of the number of people who've been released from death row after evidence overturned their conviction? No, you'd much rather shoot first and ask questions later. Clearly you don't actually care about life.

NJ needs to bring back the death penalty AND USE IT.

oh good lord take off your little halo! you are an idiot

Again, liberal crusader, u pay the bill, ask em to live with you, see how they repay you, let them kill u, just lost a peace officer, hero from gulf war in law enforcement, a real cool guy in wal-mart...u tell those kids of his all about your peace and love and give em your flower petals to dry their tears at night cause daddy's dead.....u tell them all about how peace and your little rose petals hug them at night! U need to get a true grip on real life, work in a police communications atmosphere, see or hear all about the sickness these times bring and have been here for many years, and the law enforcement does shield from you hopeless romantics of life so as to not pop your cherry bubbles of a life

THE DEATH PENALTY DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE . BECAUSE THEY HAVE TOO DAM MANY APE LS. THEY SHOULD GET JUST ONE AFTER THAT GONE. THEY FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS OR THERE IS NO TRUTH IN SENTENCE ING. THEY CODDLE EVERY EVIL PERSON THAT KILLS. AND SO THEY WILL KILL AGAIN. SOCIETY, HAS A RIGHT TO HAVE STREETS FREE OF HUMAN DEB-RE

Wow, Gentile, you sure could use a spell checker.

and a Valium....

We all pray for the same thing.

I Never said it was morally correct to murder someone... don't even go there in your hysteria. However, taking you own logic, the Death Penalty is ALSO murder... you just believe it's " justified."
But ok, I'll still take that argument over the whole the death penalty is more "cost efficient" bs. As for me paying for prisoners, like I said, that's the cost of a 'civilized' society with laws and punishments which are supposed to be 'civil and fair'. I resent my taxes paying for wars, too. I resent my taxes being spent in MANY different ways, but that doesn't mean there's a better system or more acceptable system out there at the moment....

In some religious beliefs and philosophies _Death_ is the ultimate "freedom".
I think the death penalty is too easy an option for someone who would otherwise spend the next 30, 40, or 50 years living in a cage, surrounded by other hardened, ignorant, depraved criminals who are always watching them, having to watch their backs and risking harm or even death every hour of every day they exist there in prison, regretting and reflecting on their crimes and why they are in there.
30 men gathered in a large room, sitting on hard benches bolted down to the floor, watching ONE 30" tv that gets 6 channels-- is not exactly the same as you kicking back in your recliner with a remote in your hand, a beer on the coffee table and 250 channels to choose from. Also if you knew anything for real about prisons, the TV - and any other minimal "privilege" they get in there - is a tool for control, not a given.

If prison's so free, how come we don't see someone like you rushing to get inside and stay a while?

Captn you are right. This pos and anyone else like him shouldn't ever leave the courtroom alive. Conviction then death. No time for appeals, or anything. Death. We need an eye for an eye when it comes to violent offenders, and castration for sexual offenders. And that's just for first offense. Second offense is immediate death. Oh if I ruled the world.

Pffft. That's all Christian hogwash. Prayer and the bible - not the answer to any of our problems. As a matter of fact, organized religionS have always caused more harm than good when it comes to wars, racism, bigotry and fanaticism. (JMO)

OK, you believe the death penalty is a deterrent. I don't believe so. States that still use the DP - actively use it - like Texas, STILL execute people every year. Kinda blows the deterrent angle, doesn't it? But it's still better than saying "it's cheaper".

Thou shalt not kill unless it has already been done to a cop or child or durring a terrorist act then it is okay to kill the guy who broke the original rule lol.

Oh Max did you really quote the bible? Listen the Bible is a fictional book. I mean if you are gonna pick bits and pieces out of a fictional book to prove your point doesn't it also tell you that murder isn't right well the death penalty is a form of murder correct. Correct me if Iam wrong but it also says there is only one judge correct. You know people who pick and choose violent parts of the bible to quote to prove a point are typically fanatics like terrorists

Or any other convenient circumstances we just choose to make up at the time, ron j.

Yes Ron I did quote the Bible which contrary to popular belief is not a work of fiction, I am unaware of anyone that has ever been able to prove it false, if you can please feel free to. The Death Penalty is not a form of murder it is a penalty for breaking certain laws of society. Murder which also breaks laws of society is not the same as the Death Penalty. The Death Penalty is the consequence of an action, if a criminal is aware of the fact that his actions may result in him being given the death penalty then it is his own fault for committing the crime that results in it, therefore by murdering someone and subjecting himself to the punishment which results in the death penalty the criminal and the criminal alone is responsible for his own death. He willingly partook in the crime that he knew could result in the death penalty. On the other hand the victom of murder did not perform any act that is known to have the outcome of being murdered, they murder victom does not go about their business thinking that they will be murdered if they just go about their day, they do not bring the murder on themselves in any way. This makes Murder and the Death Penalty two completely different things.

Nor has your bible ever been proven to be true.

Throughout time, skeptics have regarded the Bible as mythological, but archeology has confirmed it as historical. Opponents have attacked its teaching as primitive and outdated, but its moral and legal concepts and teachings have had a positive influence on societies and cultures throughout the world. It continues to be attacked by pseudo-science, psychology, and political movements, yet it remains just as true and relevant today as it was when it was first written. It is a book that has transformed countless lives and cultures throughout the last 2000 years. No matter how its opponents try to attack, destroy, or discredit it, the Bible remains; its veracity and impact on lives is unmistakable. The accuracy which has been preserved despite every attempt to corrupt, attack, or destroy it is clear testimony to the fact that the Bible is truly God’s Word and is supernaturally protected by Him. It should not surprise us that, no matter how the Bible is attacked, it always comes out unchanged and unscathed. After all, Jesus said, “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away” (Mark 13:31). After looking at the evidence, one can say without a doubt that, yes, the Bible is truly God’s Word.

Dinosaurs

Adam and Eve riding dinosaurs...

Really? I think theres a hellova more chance it would turn into a spectator sport, on tv, with sponsors and everything. Hunger Games anyone? Seriously. That could be the absolute worst way to handle the DP. Too many twisted, sick losers would LOVE that.

I believe that in many countries, as well as our own many many years ago, they were publicly held. And, yes, did become a spectator sport. Murder still went on. Death is not and never will be a deterrent to any crime.
We are supposed to be a civilized society. The murderer will probably get fatter than he already is, skankier looking, but he will never see his child grow up if he has one. He will never marry. Her will never go to his parents funerals or any family members for that matter. Christmas, Easter and all holidays will be spent with men. I do not mind paying for his bologna and cheese sandwiches. I would love to look that cold heartless animal in the face and say," Enjoy your lousy miserable familyless life." Yes, that is what I would like.

Not for nothing Godmother Sue....but to this murderer....none of that family stuff has any meaning. He is NOT civilized, so all that "civilized" wholesomeness that he will miss will have no meaning to him.

Bologna and cheese sandwiches? There is a lot about prison you are not aware of.

and you are assuming that we both live on the same planet,Just like your other statements here you assume you are always right, or should I say Left

And proudly so, Rich.

A Resident, Sadly to say you are correct. I guess I was thinking from a humans viewpoint and not a viscous animals thoughts. I understand that he will be viewed as someone that is a big deal due to his immoral behavior. I also know that this pos will have rights and actually have more things than I myself have. But I have my freedom and no matter what, he never will until the day he drops dead. I hope he rots in his cell like the animal that he is.

NJ needs to bring back the death penalty AND USE IT.

Depends on what the question is.

The death penalty? Listen MURDER is MURDER no matter how you justify it. If it were to be brought back to limit it to the murder of a child or a terrorist act that causes death or cops on duty is just as lame. The life of a pizza delivery guy is not less than that of a cop. I know these cops are put on pedestals but lets be honest most of the will never be confused with saints. Either way MURDER is MURDER

Ron, I can totally respect your feelings about the death penalty. I'm not diminishing or devaluing the life of a pizza boy. If I had it my way, New Jersey would have the death penalty in full force and effect. What other deterrent do these MURDERERS have? They kill in cold blood without provocation and they know the worst they can get is life in prison which includes, but is not limited to, 3 meals a day, a roof over their head, a job that could provide income to buy novelty items, medical insurance, friends, cable tv, visits from family, gifts on holidays...I could go on and on. What does Chris Matlosz's family get? They get to visit a grave and remember every holiday and birthday and wonder what his life would have been like. If the penalties were stiffer, maybe then they would think twice? Just my opinion.

And again I ask, if prison is so great, why aren't people lining up to be inside?

@ The Liberal Crusader...C'mon, really? Isn't any part of you outraged at this senseless killing? Stop hiding behind what's politically correct and get to the root of your core. What happened here with this officer is outrageous and it's not going to stop. Do you really feel that this punishment for this crime is the best possible outcome? I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just curious.

regardless MURDER is MURDER no matter how you slice it. He may have killed some one but killing him will not bring the officer back or bring any solice to the family of said officer or anyone in that situation. We aren't a tribe of savage head hunters we are human beings. When someone breaks into your house by law you can't break into theirs can you if you are raped do they allow you to rape the person who raped you no they don't so to kill someone who has killed makes as much sense as any of the above examples

I agree with you Laura, we should have the Death Penalty in NJ for certain crimes. People need to know that there are consequences for your actions and sometimes those consequences are death.

Death penalty is justice. Not murder, not revenge, straight up justice. These slimy d-bags deserve death. We need to tougher on violent and sexual offenders, People who kill and rape cannot be rehabilitated. My sincerest condolences go out to Chris's family and friends. and I want to say thank you to all of you who serve and protect us from slim like Crockham by puttin your lives on the line.

@ Liberal...on the other side of the coin, how many guilty people are let go on a technicality and are released to kill again or rape again or molest a child again?

How would you feel if a murderer got off on a glitch and murdered someone you love? There are extreme cases in every situation but that does not negate the fact that the death penalty has certain advantages.

NJ needs to bring back the death penalty AND USE IT.

Then why don't you and Ron and all the rest that oppose the death penalty foot my part of the bill for these wastes of life. Why should we all have to pay for this crap. Any sentence over 25 years should just be death no questions asked

Again, I'm adult and CIVILIZED enough to agree to disagree here. I'm not going to resort to name calling or TYPING IN ALL CAPS to yell at you or even lose sleep. I believe in the death penalty. This debate will continue til the end of time.

Laura I sure hope you don't lose sleep but with the bizzare post you just left I feel like you just might. I'm not sure where I was name calling because 1 i don't really do that and 2 I reread everything I typed just to make sure I didn't slip out of character. Speaking of typing that's what I am doing I'm not talking right now much less YELLING LOL just because I typed in caps doesn't mean I am yelling at all I think it's a tad crazy that you even think that unless that's what you do LOL

LMAO! I'm sorry, you must think I'm nuts now...I was being a tad bit snarky and sarcastic, which sometimes doesn't translate well over the net. A guy had posted before me in all caps calling names and trying to drive his point home. (BALLYJDUF)! I'm not a nut, I promise!

we are not talking about innocent , he deserves the Death penalty .

The U.S. Supreme Court has determined that a penalty must be proportional to the crime; otherwise, the punishment violates the Eighth Amendment's prohibition against cruel and unusual punishments. THIS IS NOT THE CASE IN THIS CASE .

NJ needs to bring back the death penalty AND USE IT.

Oops accidents happen, how many guilty people go free (O.J.) it works both ways.

That is the same thing I thought yesterday . I hope so stomp his ass daily

yea, he will find God and be born again.......geesh

Sharpton only picks battles he can win...he appeals to an ignorant lot...

Not James, I meant Jesse, Jesse Jackson.

Or using IPCC hockey stick charts...

what does a person have to do to get the death penality chris was assinated life in prison is not the answer in this wonderful state of laws you can get a fine for putting garbage out on wrong day lawn debrie etc but killing a human being you get life this is not a good signal to be sending. hopefully justice will take it course in prison.