"Unusual weather we're having."

It sure is

Our group of 60-&-up guys are playing softball Saturday... the old "boys of summer" in January!

Weather is really weird. I would really rather have the rain. You dont have to plow and shovel rain.

Just got my heating bill and it is half of what it was last year! Wooooohooo. Might even take the wifey to dinner to celebrate. Love this "warm" winter.

If this is global warming...its not
so bad:)

No Need to Panic About Global Warming:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204301404577171531838421366.html

yeah no need shore skeptic it was only 104 degrees last summer, a once in a century hurricane and people are going to christmas dinner in their tank tops. cant be anything wrong with the larson ice shelf which is the size of rhode island falling into the sea in less than a month. people like shore skeptic try to make climate change a political thing when its a scientific thing. thats the thing about science it doesnt vote republican or democratic you see because its science it doesnt care about politics. enjoy the lower heating bills because the air conditioning bills this summer will be astronomical . bet you the wall st journal wont have a story about that

wont need to move to fla if this keeps up ! !

but i m worried our once in a century hurricane may repeat itself in less than 100 years.

I didn't see any weather reports that said snow for the weekend. Where does this information come from?

Like the 6 pm TV weather forecast that changes by the 11 pm forecast, the meteorologist was wrong by the time the story appeared. The Patch headline wasn't changed because it gets your attention.

shore skeptic when you read right wing papers like the wall st journal and ny post of course you are going to find only articles that say climate change isnt real. 16 scientists changed their minds but thousands have not. the koch brothers coal industry billionaires who spent $50 million last year on lobbyists who say it isnt real recently hired a top scientist to back up their claim. big shocker when he released a statement that it was real. the koch bros werent happy. and there has been only a very slight magnetic pole shift and plate tectonics have nothing to do with it. when you deforest vast amount of co2 absorbing trees and burn fossil fuel unchecked for over 100 years these things happen. i trust nasa and noaa and top scientists from places like harvard and oxford university when they say it may already be too late.a recent show on ch 13 on nova called "extreme ice' had photographers from 26 different artic regions set up time lapse video cameras over a 3 yr period. when they played them back at full speed it looked like the glaciers were doing 50 mph into the ocean. thats real science .when you listen to the weatherman listen to how many times they use the word "record", record heat, record flooding. over the 9 days at christmas the u.s broke 1095 heat records . yes people enjoy the mild winter but come summer it will be time to pay the piper.

Sorry sammy but shore is right. There is no global warming. It iis a NATURAL cycle. Unless you would like to explain how car emisions caused the july 1814 blizzard.

Global warming is a term made up by Al Gore to enrich himself and is about as real as Al Gore saying he invented the internet.

seaside sam there will be no shortage of those who get their science from fox tv like shore skeptic and "me' here. years ago they would have been the people who laughed at capernicus for daring to suggest the earth orbits the sun instead of the earth being the center of the universe and the wright brothers because if man were meant to fly he would have wings. instead they parrot the same talking points sean hannity and glen beck tell them to say when science is brought up "tell them its the church of al gore" . i wonder if they didnt like the yankees would they tell people that all baseball is nonsense?

for the record cycles run in the tens of thousands of years not 200 and ask dick cheney if halliburton is evil . the taxpayers of this country sure would agree

and blizzards are a local weather scenario not global

Yea Ok Bob read this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer

And FYI I do not watch faux news.

funny skeptic i didnt see any name calling. i did catch the condescension and sarcasm from you and "me" though. also why is science a left or right issue? there is a saying especially among electricians "he knows just enough to be dangerous' . shore skeptic gives you a partly right answer and then gives you an absurd conclusion at the end . first of all you are off by about 600 miles on magnetic north. the earth has shifted its true north about 9 miles a year since 1904 only the past 3 yrs has it sped up to 30 miles a year . this has no effect on climate but it does screw with many gps and airports have had to adjust . tectonics also have nothing to do with ocean currents tsunamis not currents . there is a conveyer belt of water that drives the currents . its meant to run perfectly in salt water but the addition of trillions of gallons of much heavier fresh water from melting glaciers is slowing the conveyer down. when it stops it will be a big problem.yes the volt catches fire from side impacts but youre telling me regular cars dont? by the way they use about 75 cents a day in electricity. thats about a 25% the price of a gallon right now but sure youre way is better.and "me' dont you know anyone can add whatever they want as fact to wikopedia. you do know that right?

Ok sammy happy reading!

http://maureen-k-fleury.suite101.com/the-year-without-a-summer-1816-a54675
http://www.dandantheweatherman.com/Bereklauw/yearnosummer.html
http://www.farmersalmanac.com/weather/2010/03/22/the-year-without-a-summer/
http://www.avonhistory.org/jean/tambora.htm
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Year_Without_A_Summer

Shore I did, may the lord forgive me. I HOPE sammy enjoys reading the almanac

"me" i see youre on the patch all day so i,ll try and let you down easy. what you of course dont understand is the ocean is heating up not cooling. thanks for the 4 links on the blizzard of 1815 which were caused by a volcanic eruption spewing ash and blocking out the sun causing the world to cool rapidly within the space of 2 to 3 yrs. what youre missing is today more sunlight is getting thru our atmosphere and where there was once ice and snow to reflect it back into space instead it hits ground and ocean which absorb it instead of reflect it back . so once again the saying "knowing just enough to be dangerous" comes into play . tree rings and geologists who study rock can tell when the earth got dark and cold for as long as a 10 yr period at a time over thousands of yrs due to volcanoes but try to remember it cooled the earth not heated it. glad you got to dust off your bookshelf and feel free to ask questions first before you do the "nah nah nah' thing . you only end up looking foolish. and keep an eye out for that word "record" it even appears in this article

There is no such thing as global warming, and if there is and it is causing this Gorgeous weather well I say please keep it coming...

Plus Heating oil is way more expensive than air conditioning...

Maybe the governments of the world should stop screwing around with EMPs?!? (hint: Google "HAARP") While we’re at it, they should shop dumping aluminum particles in the air via chemtrails. This bogus attempt to reflect sunlight is only making humans sick, and killing our plants and livestock.

The number of total world earthquakes in the 1990's = 217,692. In the 2000's it was up to 292,128. Changes in ocean levels have more to do with the obliquity of the earth's axis, the Coriolis Effect, sun's impact on the electromagnetic field, and heat from the sun. Then there is the 300lb gorilla in the room that the hockey-stick club (East Anglia University) fails to mention....the earth's core. It is between 9000°F to 12,632°F. When earthquakes occur and volcanoes erupt, where do you think the heat goes?

This whole "green movement" is nothing but an elaborate ruse to get the people of the earth to relinquish their individual freedoms and submit to global governance (UN Agenda 21) by an elitist oligarchy like that outlined in Plato's Republic.

we re doooooooooooooomed, i tell ya , dooooooooooooomed

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sammy I am sorry, I didnt realize I had to get your permission on how I wanted to spend my day off.

This is what I want you to do. Tomorrow I want you to go to the high school and ask to sit in on a freshman environmental science class. You will learn that everything that is happening is a NATURAL cycle. You see the sun is on its high side of its cycle right now (if you had read the papers you would have known about the solar storm that happened on the 24th/25th.) thus the reason for the higher temps.

Maybe you would like to explain how the global warming occured at the time of the dinosaurs?

Wait a minute - it hasn't snowed all winter. But NOW it's a possibility , on Super Bowl Sunday! Really? How am I going to get to my party? Ha ha... Enjoy this weather everyone!

beyond reality i think what you call yourself might be a hint as to what you believe. the many people who will die in the upcoming heatwaves will be thrilled you saved a few bucks on your ac bill though."me" your apology is accepted and tommorrow unlike you i have to work instead of spending all day gossiping on the patch. there was a recent solar flare a week or two ago that of course explains why the past ten yrs have been the hottest on record. like i said you have just enough knowledge to be dangerous . cycles dont run for a few months they take thousands of years. we now have 7 billion people on the planet most use cars and other type of emissions like coal etc. of course that could have no effect right?i think youre a bit confused again now with dinosaurs no less . dont know if you read the papers but a huge asteroid hit this planet a long time ago. within days it increased the surface temp to up to 500 degrees and wiped out the dinosaurs . maybe thats your version of global warming. almost as wacky as "bn" and his agenda 21 which says enviormentalists are going to throw us all from our homes using eminent domain and throw us all into workcamps. come to think of it the republican controlled committee of lacey and local village idiot tim o connor are actually using eminent domain right here in lacey to throw a widow from her home. maybe thats what you and bn are talking about.

as for volcanoes heating up the planet thats like saying you can just fart to heat your home. if anything volcanoes cool the planet if they spew enough ash into the atmosphere.

Sammy as I sit here an answer your drivel, I am at work. In fact the sweet lady whom I am caring for is laughing at you as much as I am. You see at 98 years of age, she has seen more then either of us. She told me to tell you global warming is caused by the weather fairies. She said the weather fairies are what he grandmother used to tell them brought the snow and the sunshine. So maybe if you are a very goo boy, the weather fairies will bring you a nice drive into work tomorrow.

You more then half of the scientists the govt gave grants and funding to to prove global warming, have since come forward to say they lied. They skewed the numbers, FOR THE MONEY. Maybe you should call you buddy Al or Barry and ask them which "green company" they are sinking money into just for them to file bankruptcy 6 months from now. Maybe you can make money on the stock like Al. Then you too can live in a mansion that uses over 3,000 a month in electricity along. Electricity that is created by FOSSIL FUELS.

I am done and 5, 10 years from now I will be happy to revisit the subject with you so I can say I told you so. Oh and this nice lady here told me to tell you, you have nothing to worry about because the people screaming global warming are the same people telling you the world i going to end on Dec 21st. Enjoy the end of the world.

of course "me" when you are proven wrong at every turn then its best for you to insult instead. tell me did you get your fairy grandmother to sign the deed yet over to your name? so carry on in blissful ignorance me" the oil companies who get $4 billion of our tax dollars a year need dolts like you to stay in business. and in ten yrs you can send a message from your raft as you apply 100 sunblock . good luck with all of that. for more of the endless time "me' has go to the bullying article on the patch. no shortage of greehouse gases coming from the gas bag with the kindergarten drawing for his profile and way too much free time on his hands. why dont you donate your time to the foodbank or something instead of giving us theories that we can use for a nitelite ?

sammy some people will never get it its pointless trying to convince them . if they were on the titanic they would be saying "hey look they delivered a bunch of ice up on deck lets make some snowballs" . and i think "me" is looking to fleece the old gal too. just like the relative who ignored that old senior living by themselves for years but starts showing up with cakes and tea when they get news of a bad report from the doctor. sounds like she will be whisked off to the nursing home and the bank fairies then come to find the property value of the house

Can any of the natural climate change skeptics point me to one piece of scientific evidence that conclusively links the rise in CO2 levels with rise in global temperature? All of the data I've ever seen shows that the rise in global temperature started in the 1880s, but the CO2 levels didn't materially start to increase until at least the 1920s.

ballot you dont think its a coincidence that in the 1880's the industrial age was beginning full swing and that in the 1920's cars were added to it? dont know where you got that data from you never stated your source but nasa , noaa and every top university in the world are saying its true. when they take those ice core samples and read them they tell the whole story of the past 100 yrs and much farther back thousands of years to see the dramatic difference.

The REAL "Inconvenient Truth":

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2055191/Scientists-said-climate-change-sceptics-proved-wrong-accused-hiding-truth-colleague.html

joe - yes, I do think its a coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that the scientists who benefit most financially are the ones pushing the theory of man-made global warming the hardest?

Take a look at this data for the CO2 levels, it shows the CO2 levels less that 300 going back 1000 years, but around 1920, it breaks 300 and stays there.
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/ftp/trends/co2/lawdome.combined.dat

Now take a look at the temperature at this link. You can find the actual numbers behind it and you'll see that the temperature started rising in the 1880s.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/paleolast.html

It's not true that every major university is saying man is causing global warming. There is a great amount of debate within the scientific community about the causes of global warming. Even NOAA attributes 70% of the 0.8 degree increase in temperature since 1880 to water vapor not CO2. Research it yourself and look at the actual source data not any sort summary that may have bias especially comments posted to a local news site like mine.

stop the presses "project moonbeam" found an op ed piece in the daily mail saying that a scientist (yes thats singular one scientist) had fudged numbers on his computer. we best call the thousands of geologists, marine biologists and thousands of eath science scientists across the world and tell that they were wrong. ballot i tell you another scientist who got paid big money. the one koch brothers paid to find that climate change doesnt exist. the koch bros werent too happy when he found out that it is real and he released his report . especially after they spent $50 million last year paying lobbyists to say it isnt real. how many of these scientists who live for months in the artic can be paid for with that kind of money? why dont they take the easy payday? and while you question the integrity of these scienists and their "fat paychecks" why not question why big coal and oil multi billion dollar companies put many millions of dollars into campaigns to say it isnt true. why would they do that? because for now we have little choice but to use their coal and oil but it would be very "incovenient " for them to have people realize we need another way of fueling ourselves .

$4 a gallon coming real soon to a gas station near you!!

"The big snow storm will be on February 12."

looking at ballot's links . one is from 1998 by 4 scientists the other from noaa from 2000 that says "over the past decade (which means from 1990 ) we have made breakthroughs in our understanding of global temps" . that was 12 yrs ago . imagine what they know now? would you rather use the cell phone you had in 1998 or the one you have now in 2012? in other words they know a lot more now. and skeptic i guess you havent watched the news lately. due to shorter winters in places like alaska the polar bears arent fattening up enough before hibernation and are underweight . they are going into towns to get food in record numbers and even the locals say they,ve never seen anything like it before. and yes bayway you are correct. now that christie hit us with a 50 % tax in nj gas has gone up 40 cents since jan 1. those trucks that deliver the gas are paying 50% more to get it here . the price of everything else delivered by truck is climbing to thanks to the slob in trenton or whichever state he is in today campaigning.

I would still love to any sort of data that shows CO2 causes global warming. I have seen many studies that show CO2 levels and temperature are correlated, but correlation does not mean causation. From the data that I've seen, no one can conclusively say that CO2 is the cause. Maybe I'm missing something.

Steve - to your point that the accuracy of the global temperature is improving, that is exactly one of the key issues that scientists have disagreements. How can anyone say that the earth is materially warming if there is such difficulty in measuring a global temperature?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/8786565/War-of-words-over-global-warming-as-Nobel-laureate-resigns-in-protest.html

shore skeptic qoutes from an ex nasa scientist disgruntled because he was tossed out of nasa. http://content.usatoday.com/communities/sciencefair/post/2010/06,-overwhelmingingly-believe-man-made-climate-change/1 . from usa today june 22 2010 . states 97 out of 100 scientists believe without a doubt that climate change is real. it was a report from the national academy of sciences. also in may 2010 the national climatic data center said that by may of 2010 it had been the warmest year on record . this was written before the summer of 2011 before we broke records for 104 degree temps in this area. shore skeptic believes what a few washed up scientists as well as some south american ones who get their paychecks now from oil companies .

skeptic turn off sean hannity and pay attention to what as the commercial says "4 out of 5 dentists reccomend" . its real and the sad part is people like you are laughing us into disaster.

pete - if you read the details of that survey, its not that 97% of all scientists believe man-made global warming is real. Its 97% of the 1372 climate researchers that they surveyed. That holds as much validity as surveying a group of 1372 chiropractors and asking them if they thought getting an adjustment was beneficial. I'm actually surprised it wasn't 100% given the focus group.

ballot i bet if they showed x ray reports as evivence it would show a picture of your skull firmly and deeply up your hip area deep into your intenstines or commonly known as your head up your ass

sammy - why the attacks? I'm trying to have an honest, intellectual debate, but apparently that's not possible. To me, this is not political at all. Its scientific. Man-made global warming is a theory based on some rational assumptions, but its still unproven. I have never seen one shred of scientific evidence that CO2 causes global warming, only that they are correlated. I really want to understand why people like yourself are so passionate about changing the entire global economy and the fabric of society based on an unproved theory. I guess its just blind faith which to me seems short-sited.

it seems to me that no matter how much you talk about Earth warming or not warming we really can't do much about it,Its one theory vs another theory Hope for the Best be ready for the Worse.

thing is rich being ready for the worse is what the deal really is. you can see by those like shore skeptic and project highbeams not only do they not care about it but scoff at science. this has been going on for centuries like when the church told galileo he would be subject to torture if he didnt reverse his theory that the earth revolved the sun . can you imagine how many people laughed at the notion of cars , tv.s and phones when they first started appearing? what they dont understand is the trees that are being cut down at an alarming rate absord co2 . what ballot wont see is even though a certain amount of co2 is naturally made there are many more synthetic gases like cfc's , hfc's and pfc's created by man that add to the greenhouse . burning coal which is made of carbon turns it from a solid to gas state. all fossil fuels including oil are pure carbon. . so instead of reading what the top sciences we have on this planet have to say like nasa and noaa even national geographic instead they think of witty things to say and pat themselves on the back afterwards . its called greenhouse for a good reason. sunlight that gets in without being vented heats up things . for shore skeptic, moonbeamn and others i,ll simplify it by putting this link from nasa designed for kids to help them understand http://climate.nasa.gov./kids/bigquestions/greenhouseeffect .

rich we will only see the beginnings but for their kids and grandkids they will ask years from now" how could they have been so stupid, didnt they know?" meanwhile here in jersey its been 50 degrees all winter and the past 10 yrs have been the hottest on record. 2011 being the hottest

correction on the link http://climate.nasa.gov/kids/bigquestions/greenhouseeffect

link isnt coming up google climate nasa kids big questions

http://lacey.patch.com/articles/a-look-at-la-ni-a

Last I heard it took a Russian tanker 1 month to deliver fuel to Nome Alaska, roughly 300 miles away....and its -43F in Fairbanks today.

i disagree rich our grandparents didnt know. same as they didnt know years ago that cigarettes caused cancer. and volcanoes spew more ash than gas . also gore never claimed to invent the internet he claimed to have introduced legislation that helped the inventors of the internet. those like shore skeptic and tim o connor who think they know better only believe what they want to. o connor says el nino is the cause of this warm weather . what he doesnt know is the past 10 yrs have been the hottest in the 20th century so unless this el nino travelled backwards in time what he said is nonsense . looking at his posts on literally every thread in the patch there is no subject he isnt an expert on. these two are the kind of people in january after a snowfall who say "it snowed wheres the global warming?" funny how they never ask when we have record breaking heatwaves like this past summer.shore skeptic says its cold in northern alaska and bases his opinion on that. meanwhile greenland has lost much of its ice .can we do anything? no its more than likely too late so we might as well whistle away as we head towards summers that will be more than brutal in the near future. shore skeptic thinks alaska is 300 miles from here. its hopeless

its 65 degrees on feb 1st and these people think thats normal . i enjoy this weather too but soon we,ll be turning on the ac in march at this rate

It's the sun, stupid.
http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/science/Don%20Easterbrook/PART%201%20GEOLOGIC%20EVIDENCE%20OF%20GLOBAL%20WARMING%20AND%20COOLING.pdf

bn in your comments above you first said it was the earth's core because its hot ( has been for about 4 billion years now actually molten rock from what i hear) then you blame eathquakes , then it was the magnetic poles now you says its the sun? i,m waiting for you to claim harry potter did it next. and agenda 21? you are clearly a wackadoo jumping from theory to theory . has anyone actually read what agenda 21 says ? its like the mel gibson road warrior movies with all of america being put into camps etc. bn maybe you should switch to de caff i think the caffeine screws with your attention span.

Why is it that every time you disagree with a liberal, they are reduced to name-calling?

shore skeptic i guess you missed the witty comment from bn "its the sun stupid ". no name calling there right?judging by your comment on the other thread about your attorney representing someone named "shore skeptic" for defamation of character you must have a carbon monoxide leak in your house . so in the end carbon is giving you brain damage. i can only imagine a judge saying "ok shore skeptic raise your right hand and swear on the bible" . lol youre as clueless as your bad sci fi movie theories .

youre right stay calm . those like project moonbeam and skeptic usually are the kind of people that will throw the ball on the roof unless they get to play the position they think they should be playing.no shortage of the amount of times they went crying to the editor and shut yet another article down.

"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."

thank you mr dylan