"We don't know" seemed to be the theme of the Stafford Council meeting held last night.
Instead of meetings about major bridge projects and appearances by the Lieutenant Governor, the meeting was one of doubt, and "we know as much as you."
The Council introduced the new FEMA flood advisory maps. Several town officials stated that this is what is best for the town, and continued telling townsfolk it will all be OK, when we all know it won't be.
When answers were given, unfortunately, there did not appear to be a sunny side. The night featured some doom and gloom from many town officials, including Administrator Jim Moran, who seems frustrated with the entire process.
When residents asked about the Hazard Mitigation Grant Program (HMGP), Moran used the Seaside Heights boardwalk as an example of a project that would probably first get funding from the program. The town was told they would have to absorb the administrative costs associated with this.
Mayor John Spodofora expressed his own frustration - with the flood maps that have been introduced.
Spodofora said the Council is introducing the flood maps, because, he said, they have been told residents won't be eligible for the HMPG or the Increased Cost of Compliance benefit if the town doesn't adopt the maps. "We're stuck with a situation with FEMA, saying we can't challenge these maps until October," so Spodofora said, they plan to introduce and adopt the maps, with the knowlege that town officials plan on challenging many aspects of the maps, including the V zone.
The town attorney Senator Christopher J. Connors stated his own frustration of having to sit through town meetings like this, where he has to wear the hat of an attorney rather than a State Senator. Legislation sponsored by Connors to designate more than $125 million for the Green Acres and Blue Acres Fund for recreation and conservation purposes has been signed into law. Read the bill here.
There was a lot of confusion surrounding the HMPG and the Increased Cost of Compliance benefit. Spodofora referred to a letter he received some minutes before Governors Christie's Town Hall meeting, which clarifies some of the questions but raises others. Link here http://twp.stafford.nj.us/images/uploads/FEMAPressRelease.pdf
But don't fret. There is always that bridge project, which will help create jobs. Too bad no homes will be left to house anyone once the bridge project is complete.
Maybe we can get Dave Letterman to have our FEMA representatives on for some donuts and jokes. Meanwhile, the answers we get are "we don't know."
"We Don't Know," the newest T-shirt trending on Twitter.
Other resources:
FEMA Hazard Mitigation Grant Program Letter of Intent
FEMA Hazard Mitigation Grant Program Agreement
Substantial Damage Calculations(View RED Column for Net ImprovementAssessed Value)
Lincoln Osiris
9:08 am on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
Thank you for this blog Mr Mangino. I find your posts very informative. I could not help but notice that you toned this one down quite a bit and this is the 2nd version to be posted. It is OK for you to relay your frustrations to the readers. It is good to vent.
There is plenty of disappointment to go around. The "we don't know" is getting very old indeed. It is OK for people not to know the answers, even if they are in positions of power. What is not OK is that they are not making people available to the public who DO know the answers. I find it very hard to believe that they cannot get someone from FEMA into a town hall meeting to provide answers to residents such as yourself. Directing people to go to Home Depot to ask FEMA is just bad policy. That is completely unacceptable and an easy problem to fix. It seems they are more interested in passing the buck than "the buck stops here".
I agree with you that telling people "everything will be OK" while expressing frustration and speaking doom and gloom sends mixed messages and does not inspire any confidence. I would not expect any less from this mayor. His entire life is built on a foundation of lies. I know you like him because he helped you out, but just remember than even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Skitch
9:06 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
The problem with having a FEMA rep at the town hall meeting (and the reason they won't show up) is that you could ask 10 different FEMA reps the same question and get 10 completely different answers. None of the answers are consistent. How are we supposed to know what to do if FEMA doesn't know what to do or doesn't have the answers either. FEMA could give you an answer today and the same question and answer next week will be different. It seems like FEMA is flying by the seat of their pants. The rules change daily. The answer depends on who you ask on what day.
Lincoln Osiris
1:48 pm on Thursday, February 7, 2013
Skitch, I agree with you in part. I have gotten conflicting information from FEMA reps at different locations. Most of them say they can't answer questions about federal flood insurance issues.
Here's the twist. Any reps FEMA will allow to attend public meetings and give seminars are qualified and certified professionals and they do know what they are talking about. They will have answers to provide to people.
You may have been missing my point entirely. The job of fielding these questions is above the pay-grade of the mayor/council/administrator. The fact that they are feebly trying to provide answers which they don't have is nothing but foolish. Get someone qualified there and let them answer the questions.
David Wyrsch
9:06 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
I don't understand the purpose of this post. Everyone in the area should be trying to get the word out to as many people as we can that we are here, we are open, and we are restoring. I understand that frustrations are running high with everyone. Working in the Insurance and Real Estate industry, I completely understand this frustration. But just because things are not progressing fast enough (which they are NOT) and people are frustrated does NOT mean that everything will not be ok, and does NOT mean there will be no homes left to house anyone once the bridge is open. Eventually things WILL be ok, and there most certainly WILL be homes to house people. We all know the media prefers stories of sadness and despair to stories of hope and restoration. For a local person to not only feed into this, but to contribute to is, is appalling. As I said earlier, everyone needs to work together to change the perception that our area was completely destroyed. It was not! Peoples homes and livelihoods are at stake, and to put out that "we all know things will not be ok" and that "there will be no homes left to house people" is simply trying to scare people away. In a time when we should be reassuring the public that the area is still here, is open, and is restoring, the last thing that we, as locals, should be doing is scaring people with doom and gloom opinions and worse case scenarios.
John Eric Mangino
8:13 am on Thursday, February 7, 2013
Really would you like to tell that to the thousands of Retires that cant afford to raise there homes Tell the people that cant return to homes till there raised , Tell the people its all great come on down while the waitress waiting on you is living in a crack hotel in Atlantic city ,Your industry is the problem here dont want answer the pied piper ? How tax rates get so high how real estate almost topple a country , How about the Market you all enjoy now and will be how will you fix the fact that people are selling there homes because of this for half there appraised values or worse walking away . What your answer to that? is it well if your Donald Trump yes come . Is it now your intention because your an expert at Market manipulation, Yes where open come buy the poor people dreams and hope cheap yes where open and where having a great Sale . The people that live work and reside here deserve the truth . Yes im Local and I see watch and listen and read .. And if a community is in dire straights as we are your answer is get in my birthday suit and start waving yes were open flags .What flags the OPEN house flags ? Sounds like something Fema would tell you Sure theres Block grants there other grants But guess what we just ran out . I have to Lie for who The Government . ? Or worse Realtors Five years will tell .Ive seen the ratable tables so unless I start selling sea shells by the sea shore to China . I may as well Move to Palm Beach its actually cheaper to live there. .
Lincoln Osiris
1:48 pm on Thursday, February 7, 2013
David- these things are easy for someone like you or me to say since our homes weren't affected. Mr Mangino and his neighbors are right in the thick of it. The way things have been going he has every right to be extremely frustrated. Angry even. Excuse him for being a frontline reporter and actually telling it like it is. People are continuing to suffer and there are conflicting stories from all levels of government, especially locally. Adding to their frustration almost daily. It was the mayor and admin speaking "doom and gloom" at the last meeting, Mr Mangino just reported on it. Like I said in previous posts, the lack of leadership at town hall is what is really appalling. The answer to this could not be more simple. Get qualified people into the town meeting to provide answers to these affected homeowners. FEMA will show up but only if they are asked to. It never should have gotten to "I dont know".
I agree with you that we should not be scaring people. But not at the expense of the Truth. Cheers to Mr Mangino.
NavyE9r
9:06 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
I highly suggest the Citizens of Stafford NJ, either attend these meetings, view them via the public access channel on TV or watch them via the link on the township website.
John Eric Mangino
9:06 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
I watched the meeting last night in a hope some one good thing could be relayed .
Sadly that didst happen , Why there hasn't been one Fema official to answer a Question at these meetings is a Discrace . Go to Fema they say ask the Town go to Town they say there waiting on Fema which is the bigger truth of the two.
Now One Day Later Christie is touting Block Grants yet there no info where to get these . There is some 32 million set up for support groups yet we can get the simplest Question answered and what even more discouraging no one seems to be Standing up to Washington . This entire house raising flood map deal is far beyond what anyone should have to endure . Telling people if you dont like it more is the most arrogant thing Ive heard . The Government is Displacing more than the Storm ever did or would of . Why someone that lives five miles from the beach has to pay the same amount of insurance that a ocean front does is beyond me . And if you are paying for 225,000 in flood you dont see even half on payout , So where is all this Money going to go .... Further why are all these inconsistency's ok . And really its not the flood maps its this 500percent insurance gouging that is being let to go un challenged ......
John Eric Mangino
4:16 pm on Friday, February 8, 2013
That a Very Good Question . Ive learned recently Fema is out Condemning homes making the Hit List as we speak .Ive sent numeros pre meeting recommendations
The Fact is we need a Town Hall meeting dealing with subject alone with informative people . I or We dont know just does not cut it after some 100 days ,
If your not going to subitize the Flood insurance Then there will need to be Tax Subsidies for towns that by why of sheer attrition will loss half there tax base.
And in Stafford that has been on the progress train will have built disney world but have no visitors . Now Is this all the homeowners faults because years ago some idiot let houses be built on slabs If the Federal Government is going now clean all of BHW lagoons then I say go after Shapiro estate for every dime taxes he hasn't paid on them . Answer to why there not at the meetings is really simple we have adopted a plan that has yet to be put on paper other than the part where we have to pay for the Mistakes made in all other past Fema Botched storm partys . Someone making a lot of money off this I know its not me . I also believe any grant moneys asked for against homeowners and local business first should go to public vote We wont need a community center in beach haven west it gona be empty and the folks who would truly benefit from it long gone. Think about it people who spend 250.000 on homes to build dont use community centers . The go to beach .
John Eric Mangino
3:41 pm on Monday, February 11, 2013
The towns are being held hostage . the insurance surcharges are unreasonable ..
We will never know the real number because people will be afraid to register there homes in fear of lossing them .
The Mayor past is no concern now and i wish you would stay on target . if thye dont adopt the maps they get no money . Simple . thou we have seen none yet . I wonder exactly how much we have billed or if we have? But your correct this circus has to end real answer from trained personal who can be held accountable is needed and Town hall meetings are not the place for them . A agenda has to be set up for these issues only and other town business can be dealt with at regulars meetings .lest stay on point here shaking our hands at Mayors and Administers as you know will ge us no where .
That said the unrealistic raising of all these homes and the insurance surcharges are criminal and not the town fault But what is dopting these maps that are just advisories . And adopting a SIx month get it done or get out CO policy is the towns not Femas .No disaster in history has a one sate been asked to pick up the Tab like ours ...Media isnt covering it the president doesnt even want here about it and our governor just keeps shacking a money bag at us that we have yet to see whats going to fall out ..This will go down as Christies demise Obamas demise And make Katrina look like a fish bowl .
Lincoln Osiris
7:01 am on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
Mr Mangino,
You have made it clear you are not interested in the mayors past. It seems that several people on here are only trying to save you from the disappointment they felt when they realized his word is worthless. Some things you just have to find out for yourself. From now on I will respect your wishes.
Just promise you will continue providing the citizens with the important information that is not being told to them. You are a good person with a good heart and it is obvious you don't have alterior motives. You have nothing to hide. Keep up the good work and keep telling the truth.
Laila Owies
8:22 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
I made many phone call this morning. Each one gave me another number to call. I heard from the last one that there is not enough employees to answer phones and submit the HMGP. Changing the zone code needs the government/ state supports immediatly. Raising a house will cost much more than fixing walls, flooring. Another point the compensation should depend on the shape of the house before the storm. Some people never renovate their houses, some partial renovation, others complete renovation..and each of these depend on when ( time frame). 5 bears ago, I did a big renovation structure wise on addition every thing was new..name it kitchen, bath rooms, all the floors, doors, windows, painting. On addition of the outside, bulk heads, decks, ..extra.