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Hello. I believe in the December 2013 issue of The Barnegat Leader I read an article that said that the mayor at that time was looking into having a Denny's and town village built where the old Sweet Jenny's used to be.

Is the new mayor going to proceed with that initiative and also work on getting stores built in the empty space next to CVS ?
Mac February 27, 2014 at 12:27 PM
the landlord is getting paid by Genuardi's for an empty store so it is unlikely any internal effort to improve this situation will happen for less bucks - however, if the township.........
Mike Mazzucca February 27, 2014 at 01:42 PM
The township could always encourage the landlord to find a tenant, make sure the property is maintained. I'm sure that something could be done. But Mac, that would require someone from the township to take action.....
Mac February 27, 2014 at 02:38 PM
they already did - have you seen the 22nd century right-hand turn at W. Bay Ave. and 2nd St.? it's like you're making a U-turn - sometimes you get what you wish for?
Xavier February 27, 2014 at 02:46 PM
A Wegman's? Hell no. I'm not sure what I said makes you think I want a Wegman's. I'd be even less likely to shop there. If Genuardi's is still paying the landlord for that empty building, as Mac says, then I can totally see why nothing is going in there. The landlord can pocket more money by having it remain empty and reduce overhead. I would do the same thing so I can't fault them there, Something about glass houses and stones. Also, the property looks better maintained than many of my neighbor's homes so I doubt the township can wrangle anything out of him/her about that from a legal standpoint. As far as having a grocery store nearby being a necessity, it may be for some but definitely not all. I would *like* an affordable grocery store nearby but my life is impacted very little by having to go to Waretown. Now if I were 70+ years old living in a retirement community in West Barnegat and incapable of driving, it would be a necessity for me. In my opinion to call it a necessity for all is mistaken. And with that I am going to bow out of this conversation as I don't think I have anything else to say bout that.
Rufus O'Callahan February 27, 2014 at 02:48 PM
We're not saying that the government has to force businesses to open up. But it's a known fact that there is all kinds of red tape, and the zoning board has caused headaches for so many that have tried to set up businesses here. We were supposed to have New Jersey's first Sonic, but that fell through because of all the difficulties that came with the effort ... as it turns out, things went a lot smoother in Waretown. I've also heard that other businesses were supposed to come, but were held up for some reason until the project was abandoned. I'm not going to point fingers, but I do believe we can do something about all of these hurdles that discourage commercial growth in our area. Of course, as others have pointed out, there has been a lot of poor planning in the area as of late: the nightmare caused by the extremely long traffic lights alone W. Bay Avenue certainly isn't helping matters.
Rufus O'Callahan February 27, 2014 at 03:13 PM
As far as the Genuardi's situation is concerned: my understanding is that the closing had absolutely nothing to do with that location not having the business to turn a profit. Rather, it had to do with the parent company (Safeway) opting to pull out of the northeast and focus on their operations elsewhere. They found a buyer for the PA Genuardi's locations, but none of the NJ locations moved and all wound up closing their doors (this includes stores in Mays Landing and Marlton). As far as A&P goes: that store was in poor condition for a long time. There was no interest in improving the property, so combining that with the struggles of parent company The Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Co. (they've been in and out of Chapter 11), they opted to close the Barnegat location along with many others around the state. A year later, they closed their Pathmark store in Manahawkin as well. There is no doubt in my mind that Barnegat can support a grocery store. However, we do not have the socioeconomic status where a Wegmans or Trader Joe's could thrive. I'd be plenty satisfied with an Acme or Stop & Shop in town, and know that our municipality of over 20,000 residents would make it a very successful operation should it ever make its way here.
Rick February 27, 2014 at 03:45 PM
Mike Mazzucca, You think we need someone from the township to take action? How about you and maybe Mac? There is an election for two committee seats coming up this fall. Why don’t you run for office and when elected, run the town the way you think it should be run? Then you could appoint like minded people to the planning and zoning boards. And about those ‘extremely’ long light on West Bay, I had occasion to drive from West Barnegat to Route 9 today and it only took four minutes. And I would like to know which ones people think should be eliminated.
Rick February 27, 2014 at 04:02 PM
Most of the residential areas of Barnegat were developed before Genuardis opened on West Bay. The only grocery store options were the A&P and the ShopRite in Manahawkin. Neither ShopRite is really that far away. And it isn’t like any of the seniors in West Barnegat really walked to Genuardis. They get in their cars and drive to the Walmart in Manahawkin and to a lot of other places, so what is the problem with going that far for groceries?
Rick February 27, 2014 at 04:17 PM
Mike Mazzucca, you told Xavier, “that's what your Mayor is for. He should be the advocate and voice of reason and common sense.” If you were truly up on what goes on in Barnegat, you would know that the mayor is a SHE!
Rick February 27, 2014 at 04:53 PM
Greg and Mike, Your ideas about demographics don’t hole a lot of water. The median family incomes in Ocean Township (Waretown) and Stafford Township (Manahawkin) are both lower than in Barnegat Township. And if family income in a community affected how companies decided where to build Alpine NJ “America's most expensive ZIP code” would be brimming with supermarkets. As it is they have to drive to neighboring towns to shop.
Rick February 27, 2014 at 05:14 PM
John B. At the risk of repeating myself, which traffic lights would you eliminate? And by the way, at least two of the lights at the entrance and exits to the Parkway are controlled by the State.
Rick February 27, 2014 at 05:16 PM
John B. Will we be seeing your name on the local ballot this fall?
Mac February 27, 2014 at 05:38 PM
Rick, been there, done that - it's unlikely to happen again, but not impossible - I also don't feel as though I have to serve in office to have ideas about what I expect from the office - as for the traffic lights, I've experienced a couple of well-timed out trips through the canal locks myself but they have been the exception - the three hour Monday to Friday morning and evening traffic sporting games were far superior to the current 24/7 funeral parade nightmare - allowing some right hand turns besides at the enlightening U-turn light across from Wawa would help a lot - more customers would pull into the Genuardi's strip mall to do business if they didn't feel like they were trapped on a dead end street trying to get back out into the world before their coffee-to-go got cold - people like convenience and freedom of movement and Barnegat doesn't provide that area with either anymore
Mike Mazzucca February 27, 2014 at 05:46 PM
Rick, I lived in Barnegat for a year because I lost my house. I live in BHW. Nevertheless, SHE should be pursuing these things. Isn't Barnegat's Mayor a paid position? 4 minutes to go from GSP to Rt 9? What time did you go? Because it takes 4 minutes at the light where the Rite Aid and Walgreens are. There are more lights on that little stretch then there are on Rt 9 all the way to 72 from Barnegat. If you take bay ave and make a left going towards big lots those lights are useless too when school is not in session. Demographic studies play a role in it Rick don't be so naïve. You have 20k residents, they're supposed to drive all over to food shop. Again, referencing your point about Alpine, those folks have tons of money, and drive 12 mile to the gallon range rovers you think they care that they have to drive 9 miles to food shop. Keep in mind, new is not better, new stores and new roads don't = better.
Mike Mazzucca February 27, 2014 at 05:49 PM
Hey Rick.....take a ride over to the shoprite this sunday. Not only are they predicting snow, but it's sunday, let me know if you think it's not too bad after that visit. Think about this, why was Gennuardi's prices so high...no competition other than shoprite. Also don't forget superfresh in Manahawkin. It's competitive in prices and is decent to hop in and out of quickly.
Mike Mazzucca February 27, 2014 at 05:54 PM
Barnegat is an established all year round living town, Manahawkin isn't. higher % of those houses are second homes vacant in the off season. I would expect average incomes to be less. Lastly Rick it takes more than just me or greg to take on anyone in either town. Cronyism / nepotism is strong in both how else could a liar like spodo get re-elected...
Rick February 27, 2014 at 06:49 PM
Mike, the figures I used were from the 2010 census. They count year round residents, not those in summer homes. According to the census Barnegat has 20,936 residents to Stafford's 26,535. They also have a larger school population than Barnegat does.
Eric Thomas February 27, 2014 at 10:33 PM
Ms. Conway what are you doing in the mayor's chair? You are the least qualified member of the TC to sit there. Your political rhetoric will not solve the many problems your current political party created in Barnegat. Stop pointing fingers and get on with what it is you are being paid to do. I don't give a damn about how hard you are trying. I care about results. Barnegat is a town of broken promises and shattered dreams. An over-taxed, crime infested town where a one year TC member submarines her party colleagues for her own gain (to get a county job) and then puffs out her chest as she advocates to purchase two used motorcycles for the police force. Have you no humility? You are being paid - GET TO WORK AND PRODUCE.
Mike Mazzucca February 28, 2014 at 07:31 AM
Rick I live in reality, if there are 26k people living in Stafford they must all be hiding. This is 2014 and our mayor got re-elected how I don't know, can't believe that even 1/4 of those people voted. Stafford also shares schools from the lbi, not enough to skew #'s but nevertheless they do share schools
it could be me February 28, 2014 at 02:25 PM
Dear Mr Eric Thomas, I cant agree with you at all, except for the fact that Ms Taylor is not a qualified member of the TC. If I recall the only qualification to run or hold office is to be a resident of Barnegat Twp. I think she is the only member of the TC that has an open mind and votes for the best interest of the people of Barnegat. As far as buying 2 motorcycles, I don't think that was a smart move. Now you have to train a few of our fine officers, buy protective gear, etc etc . We have a good police Dept, good leaders, good police officers. What we need is a few more cops on the street. As far as our new Mayor, your correct, I call her the switch hitter----- I think I wasted my vote on her 2 years ago. I just hope the fine people of Barnegat find a good person to run against Mr Marty---now that's a do nothing BS member of the TC if I ever met one . I hope everyone stays safe during the snow storm coming Monday
Rick February 28, 2014 at 03:07 PM
Mike, According to the State 41% of the registered voters in Stafford voted in the 2013 elections and 45% in Barnegat. This is rather high for a year when there isn’t a presidential election. http://nj.gov/state/elections/2013-results/2013-general-election-ballotscast-ocean.pdf
B. Smith February 28, 2014 at 03:14 PM
The $11 - $12K spent on motorcycles is a joke. Looks like we have a mayor that thinks nothing about wasting tax payer money. Yes I too wasted my vote!!!
Mike Mazzucca February 28, 2014 at 05:10 PM
statistically speaking rick, in 2010 there were over 26k people in Stafford, 10 year growth of 4k people, use the same rate to calc between 2010 and 2013 brings you to a pop. of about 28k people. 18k of them are registered voters roughly 67% where's the other 10k people? Not registered? so reality is that only 28% of the people that actually live here voted....pretty sad, because out of the 7700 people that voted, they voted for a liar and unethical person for their mayor.....for a second time. Our mayor has found a way to be corrupt without stealing. He's no different than our current governor whom I have found favor for until recent. JS has just gone unopposed by anyone with depth of support, yet another sad reality.
Rick February 28, 2014 at 05:36 PM
Maybe the unregistered are too young to vote?
Rick March 02, 2014 at 06:29 PM
Actually Mike the 2012 estimated population in Stafford only increased by about 400. As for why your mayor got reelected, you had the answer. No one with depth of support has opposed him.
Rick March 02, 2014 at 09:01 PM
Mac, Did you know that all of those red lights are timed at 1 ½ minutes? That means if you were unfortunate enough to catch every red light from Rt 9 to Lighthouse for the full time, which is highly unlikely, it would only take 9 minutes out of your very important life.
Rick March 02, 2014 at 09:09 PM
Mac, Did you know that all of those red lights are timed at 1 ½ minutes? That means if you were unfortunate enough to catch every red light from Rt 9 to Lighthouse for the full time, which is highly unlikely, it would only take 9 minutes out of your very important life.
Mac March 03, 2014 at 08:25 AM
Wow! I didn’t have a clue. A minute and a half per traffic light. Who would have thought? Thanks for sharing Rick. I’ve got to admit though that I was happier when I still believed each light was just too long. Now I understand why so many cut through the parking lots. However, I’ll make an effort to apply your logic the next time I find myself with nothing better to do in my important life. Regardless, I’m happy that you had such a successful evening last night. From your last two posts I can see you saved a whole minute on your last test run. Eight minutes. WTG.
Ray March 03, 2014 at 09:07 AM
The turf field at Lower Shore Rd. is a big mistake. First, they paid 28K to transport it here and left it lay for awhile until it couldn't be used. Next, they got a turf field from Giant Stadium and promised it would be ready in Sept. and only would spend 20K. Now they have spent 65K and it's still not finished and Mayor McCabe is a big promoter. She doesn't keep her word and then Breeden makes excuses. As far as the used MC's are concerned, if they were good then why did Stafford get rid of them. We have bicycles, ATV's and now MC's. With only 43 Officers who is going to use them. The excuse that they would be used to patrol the Barnegat Trail is bogus. MC's are used for traffic and parades. The pros are they can get through traffic faster then a patrol car. The cons are they have limited use. You still have to call for a patrol car to transport a prisoner, they can't carry much equipment, and they are dangerous and cause many injuries.
B. Smith March 05, 2014 at 05:38 AM
The current agenda has two non certified police to be hired at a combined salary of 88K and an additional part type typist (no salary mentioned). Who are thew police replacing? If no one then this is another 100K hit to the budget plus benefits.

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